Updated on November 28, 2017
Jake Turner, back row second from right, with his Spirit Award-winning Bluebook Relays team, Guns ‘n’ Rosenberg
Law student’s first career taught importance of client relationships, being prepared for anything
As a young child, I dreamed of being a veterinarian. Then I set my sights on the U.S. presidency. By the time I got to college, I had decided on a more practical career: teaching.
My family always thought I should go to law school, but I stubbornly dismissed the idea.
Professor of Sociology was the title I wanted, so I spent my time in undergrad at the University of Tulsa preparing to apply to graduate sociology programs. I started having second thoughts during my junior year. Could I really commit to studying sociology my entire life? I wanted to live in the Kansas City area. Would I be able to find a job at a local college? My life plan seemed to be devolving before me. But I still wanted to teach, so I decided to try it at the high school level.
I started my teaching career in Sliven, Bulgaria through the Fulbright program, helping sophomore through senior English language learners perfect their grasp of the language. I tutored students, taught them slang and empowered them to become stronger writers. It was challenging to live and teach in a foreign country, but I grew from adapting to new situations and understanding new cultures. I never knew what my students would say or what would happen in Bulgaria, but I learned to go with the flow.
When I returned to the United States, I continued my teaching career at Hogan Preparatory Academy in Kansas City, Missouri. I taught junior and senior mathematics, from AP statistics to pre-calculus. I built strong relationships with my students and learned from them, probably as much as they learned from me. I learned the importance of being passionate about what I teach: When I was excited about a subject, my students got excited, too.
Leaving Hogan after two years was difficult because I loved my students and colleagues. But I decided that teaching high school, while rewarding, was not something I could see myself doing for my entire life. That’s when I applied to KU Law. Although law is my second career, I’ve found my niche and think my teaching experience will make me a stronger lawyer. I know the importance of creating relationships with my clients and being prepared for any situation.
KU Law also gives me the opportunity to continue teaching. As a 2L, I am a teaching assistant for the first-year Lawyering Skills course. Once a week, I get to return to the classroom, teach lessons and then hold office hours to help my students. I think I’ve been able to cultivate a love of learning legal citation with my students. Last month, they took third place at the annual Bluebook Relays legal citation competition. More importantly, they also won the coveted award for most spirited team. I want my students to love what they’re doing, and I could not be prouder of them for doing just that.
— Jake Turner is a 2L and KU Law Student Ambassador from Mission, Kansas.
Updated on November 27, 2017
Law school is an all-encompassing endeavor. Although challenging, it can be incredibly gratifying and rewarding. Law school really makes you think. There is liability everywhere. The world is a walking torts book.
Sometimes I miss the old days where I could walk through a grocery store and not wonder if someone slipping on the water near the entrance would be sufficient to find the store guilty of negligence. I miss the days where I could drive through Missouri on my back to Illinois without wondering if Missouri would have personal jurisdiction over me.
Sometimes I escape law school by watching television shows. Law school has managed to weasel its way into that aspect of my life as well. I can’t watch Game of Thrones without wondering if The Night King killing the Khaleesi’s Dragon would be trespass to chattels, battery, or intentional infliction of emotional distress.
I know tort law states that parents generally aren’t liable for their child’s torts, but could the Khaleesi be sued for the tortuous conduct of her adult dragons now that they are acting as adults and on her behalf? The Khaleesi probably has much bigger problems to worry about, but I’m more concerned about her possible tort claims against the Night King than I am about her conquest for the Iron Throne.
Sometimes Game of Thrones can be a little too hardcore for me, so I’ll watch The Office. Nope, law school applies there too. Was Michael Scott’s Golden Ticket idea a legally binding contract? Was Dwight guilty of battery when he sprayed mace in Roy’s eyes? How about the time when Jim put Dwight’s stapler in Jell-O, that has to be trespass to conversion, right?
Law school has changed me for the better. I may not be able to completely enjoy television shows anymore, but at least I can tell you a little something about the Article Two of The Uniform Commercial Code. I may not be able to tell you what happened in the news yesterday, but I can tell you all about Market Share Liability.
In all seriousness, law school has been a blast so far. I’ve never been so challenged academically. And although it can be stressful and frustrating, the people I’ve met and fun times I’ve had make it all worth it.
-Colin Finnegan is a 1L from Morris, Illinois.
Updated on November 13, 2017
Five questions with Xiu “Monica” Huang, Visiting Scholar from China
1. Why did you choose to study at KU Law? How did you learn about our program and establish contact?
KU offers world-class education and enjoys a strong international reputation. It welcomes students and scholars like me from all over the world to pursue their goals. And I learned and believe that KU Law will provide me with a supportive and quality academic environment for conducting legal research.
I learned about the program on the KU Law website while I was applying for the Visiting Students Program funded by the China Scholarship Council (CSC). As a Chinese Ph.D. candidate with a great interest in Water Law, I was so lucky to find and read Prof. John Peck’s profile on the KU Law website. I learned that he is a Water Law expert with abundant academic knowledge and practical experience. I emailed him to explore the possibility of being a visiting student, conducting my research under his guidance.
2. What are your professional goals for your time at KU Law? What will be your next career step after your time here?
My professional goals at KU Law include studying American law, conducting Sino-U.S. comparative legal research in the specific area of ecological compensation in inter-basin water transferring, and preparing my doctoral dissertation on Environmental Law from a Marxist perspective. I hope to earn my doctoral degree and obtain a faculty position in China after my time here.
I believe my experience at KU Law will enable me to conduct comparative legal research and analysis between Sino law and American law and introduce the latest legal developments in U.S. Water Law to China, which will definitely play an important role in the pursuit of my legal and academic career.
At KU Law, teachers are always encouraging students to make comments or ask questions about the content of the lesson. Students here are very self-confident, always willing and positive to express their opinions and thoughts. Teachers here care about every student in their classes including the auditing ones. They guide students in terms of forming an effective learning style, doing plenty of readings before the class, absorbing knowledge and solving problems during the class, and continuing further research work after class. I appreciate the wonderful presentations given by the students in some classes. The Wheat Law Library provides abundant research resources as well as comfortable conditions. Areas for cooperative work, discussion, and quiet, independent work are well designed. All the faculty here are gentle or graceful, always ready to give a hand and solve the problem with high efficiency.
4. What are your favorite things about Lawrence? What about home do you miss the most?
Lawrence is a wonderful place. I enjoy its quietness and peace very much. Blue skies and white clouds can easily be seen. The air is fresh and clean, though a little bit dry. The weather here is totally different from my hometown of Wuhan, but quite similar to Beijing where my families live. Most people I meet in Lawrence are fairly friendly, warm-hearted and willing to help. I am deeply impressed with their politeness and consideration of others. I have been in Lawrence for no more than two months, so I guess there must be lots of things for me to explore and experience here. I believe I could find more and more favorite things about Lawrence.
As I am alone here, the toughest thing for me to conquer is separation from my family, relatives and friends in my homeland. I miss my parents and siblings in Wuhan a lot. Who I miss most are my adorable 2-year-old baby girl and hardworking husband in Beijing. I feel sorry or even guilty leaving them so far away, especially when she or he gets sick.
5. What advice would you offer to other scholars who may want to do research abroad?
As far as I am concerned, if you decide to do research abroad, you’d better get yourself ready in terms of foreign language, research proposal and so on. With regard to the foreign language, it is the basic requirement of doing research in a foreign country. First, you have to gain the foreign language skills in listening, reading, writing, speaking and translating. Second, you should set a particular academic goal and make a detailed research proposal during your time abroad. With the goal, you could overcome the difficulties with your will and mind. You would be able to carry out your work step by step according to the plan without disturbance and confusion. Third, find a university and a school which could provide you with an excellent academic environment and resources, with professors capable of offering you wisdom, knowledge and support, and with other helpful faculty members. Last but not least, even though your time and energy abroad are rather limited, it’s necessary and helpful to audit some classes not just to learn, but also to experience the foreign language teaching and learning style.
–Xiu “Monica” Huang is a Ph.D. scholar at Huazhong University of Science & Technology. While at KU, she is conducting research on the legalities of water allocation and usage in China.
Posted on November 9, 2017
“This was before the movie A Few Good Men and before the TV show JAG,” Fischer said. “I didn’t realize the Navy had lawyers. I thought I’d sign up and see what they had to say.”
Fischer found the presentation compelling. “It was a three-year commitment at the time. I thought it would be a fun few years to see the world and do a bunch of different things, then I would have real world experience and could do something different afterward if I didn’t love it.”
More than two decades later, Fischer is still loving it, and still serving.
After finishing law school and passing the bar examination, Fischer completed Navy officer and legal training in Newport, Rhode Island, then reported for duty at the Navy’s legal services office in San Diego.
“When I reported I got a stack of files and started seeing clients very soon,” Fischer said. “That was one of the big selling points–they give you immediate responsibility. I also loved living and working near the ocean.”
Fischer started off processing administrative cases and quickly progressed to more serious issues, prosecuting rape, assault and child sexual abuse cases. “I was doing that within the first couple years out of law school, and I was the lead in these cases,” Fischer said. “It was a lot of responsibility and hard work, but very rewarding.”
One of Fischer’s biggest cases early in her career involved a date rape. “It’s the typical story,” Fischer said. “She said she didn’t want to have sex, he said he thought she did, so it was a contested rape trial. The evidence showed that she did not consent, and I got a conviction. That was a very satisfying experience.”
While teaching at the Naval Justice School, Fischer also served on the Defense Institute of International Legal Studies (DIILS) mobile education teams. The teams, composed of members of all branches of the military, work with partner nations to build capacity and implement democratic rule of law and equitable military justice systems.
Fischer served on a mobile education team deployed to Moldova shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union. “The folks in Moldova had just gained independence,” Fischer said. “At the time they were operating under the Soviet system and were very interested in how we ran our military justice system. They found it interesting that if a sailor got in trouble, he or she could go to a legal services office and have a Navy lawyer assigned to represent them, advocate for them, and make sure they got a fair trial. For us in the U.S., we think, of course they have rights! They should be represented, they should have a hearing, they should be able to present evidence and call witnesses. At the time, these concepts were new to Moldova.”
Fischer later served on a mobile education team to Mozambique, a former Portuguese colony that was recovering from a protracted civil war and transitioning from a Marxist regime to a democratic system. The DIILS training seminar introduced the Mozambique Armed Defense Forces to the concepts of the rule of law, human rights and civilian control of the military. It also provided an opportunity for rival factions within the military and civilian leadership to come together and discuss their differences and build relationships. Fischer gave presentations on the U.S. military justice system and facilitated interaction between the Mozambican participants.
Both assignments in Mozambique and Moldova were fascinating to Fischer. “Seeing firsthand the living conditions in former communist nations was very eye-opening and gave me a greater appreciation for how fortunate we are in the United States. Despite the hardships, the people she met in both countries were warm and friendly. “It was gratifying to get to know the military personnel in these countries. My experiences reinforced the concept that most people in this world want the same things – “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” as our nation’s founders so eloquently wrote.”
“The Department of Defense is still very active with outreach efforts like this,” Fischer said. “Recently DIILS has developed and implemented programs in Burma, Thailand, Mongolia, Sri Lanka, Mali, Nigeria, to name a few. They’re working with partner nations, helping them to build accountable, transparent and effective defense institutions and implement critical defense reforms.”
After three years stationed in Italy, and another three years working for the commander of the Navy’s west coast ballistic missile submarine fleet near Seattle, Washington, Fischer is currently based in D.C. There she has worked at the Washington Navy Yard and in the Pentagon in legislative affairs and as executive assistant and special counsel to the General Counsel of the Navy.
The Navy offers post-graduate education for lawyers in three areas: international law, environmental law and trial advocacy. Fischer took advantage of the program to earn an LLM in environmental law from the George Washington University Law School, and put her environmental expertise to work on Capitol Hill. The effect of Navy sonar training on marine mammals was a hot-button issue while Fischer was working in legislative affairs, and she used her expertise in environmental law to address the concerns.
“There was a big outcry by some environmental groups that claimed Navy sonar was injuring marine mammals,” Fischer said. “This became a significant issue that included litigation in the 9th Circuit and before the Supreme Court, and had the potential to negatively impact Navy training and readiness. We had to finalize environmental compliance documents, rebut plaintiffs’ challenges in court, address public comments, and respond to Congressional inquiries. On the Hill, our objectives included helping members of Congress better understand both the effect of sonar on marine mammals, and the strategic importance of Navy sonar training.”
The Navy has specially trained marine mammal lookouts on all vessels equipped with sonar and follows stringent mitigation measures to avoid marine mammals during training exercises, Fischer said. “These measures are effective in preventing impacts to marine mammals.” On the Hill, in the courts, and in the press, Fischer played a key role in the Navy’s ability to inform and successfully rebut challenges to Navy operations.
Fischer currently serves as the Staff Judge Advocate (SEA 00J), Naval Sea Systems Command.
“My philosophy was as long as I’m having fun I’m going to take another set of orders,” Fischer said. “I continue to find it fulfilling and fun, so I continue to serve.”
–By Emily Sharp. A previous version of this story appeared in the spring 2015 issue of KU Law magazine.
Updated on November 8, 2017
James Garfield is my favorite U.S. president. Most people have never heard of our 20th president, and if they have, all they know about is his tragic assassination roughly three months into his presidency. However, prior to his short time in office, Garfield was a congressional representative for many years, multi-tasking as an attorney, often representing clients pro bono before the courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court. Like Garfield, I seek to practice public interest law following graduation. To that end, I applied to attend KU Law’s trip to the 2016 Equal Justice Works (EJW) Conference and Career Fair in Washington, D.C., with a group of my classmates. My experience at the conference changed my life for the better.
The KU Law EJW trip provides the chance for a number of students interested in public interest law to visit the nation’s capital and attend the EJW Conference and Career Fair. When we arrived in D.C. in 2016, we attended a reception with KU Law alumni who live and work in the D.C. area. With a wide variety of legal careers, many of these alumni offer sincere support and invaluable advice to KU Law students aiming to practice in Washington, D.C.
After meeting with alumni, we attended the EJW Conference the next day. EJW is a non-profit organization which aims to connect up-and-coming law students and attorneys to internships and jobs serving the public interest. The EJW Conference and Career Fair combines opportunities to interview and network with potential employers and fellow students with useful workshops and inspiring speakers, including Supreme Court Justice Elena Kegan. While listening to Justice Kegan explain her background in studying history and her somewhat roundabout path toward law school and through her legal career, I couldn’t help but relate. Most of all, I was inspired by the number of students from across the country looking forward to careers supporting the public interest.
Following the first day of the conference, several of us went to walk around the National Mall at night, ending up in front of the Lincoln Memorial. Looking up at the giant face of one of America’s most memorable lawyers-turned-president, I felt resolved to return to D.C. to use the skills I built at KU to help make a difference in the lives of Americans. This realization, supported by the lessons I learned through the conference itself, gave me the determination and drive to seek out opportunities in D.C. for the following summer, including an internship at one of President Garfield’s favorite places: the Library of Congress.
My internship with the Library’s Office of the General Counsel fulfilled my lifelong dream of working in the world’s largest library. I also gained experience working with legal issues related to the library’s educational goals. I had the opportunity to explore the library’s amazing collections and historical documents, including the ledger containing Abraham Lincoln’s check-out record, and to explore D.C. with my roommate, fellow KU Law student Laurel Michel. Together, we attended panels and visits to federal agencies, visited more than 20 museums, galleries, historic sites and countless monuments, and shared even more great memories.
This October, I returned to the EJW Conference, more dedicated than ever to pursue a career serving the public interest. One of the highlights of the trip was listening to Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg discuss her own career and the support she received in attaining her position on the Court. “If you have like-minded people working with you and you are supporting each other in what you are trying to accomplish,” she explained in her speech. “That makes an enormous difference.” As I continue to prepare for my graduation in the spring, I could not be more grateful for the encouragement and guidance.
— Haley Claxton is a 3L from Olathe, Kansas.
Updated on October 27, 2017
According to the American Bar Association, Native American attorneys make up 0.3 percent of the more than 1 million lawyers in the United States; I want to change that.
Now, more than ever, Native Americans need capable, committed legal representation within their tribes, communities and organizations. My intention in pursuing a law degree is to position myself for a career that will enable me to do just that. I am a member of an emerging group of capable and ambitious American Indian students who, when given the opportunity, not only overcome the social and economic barriers that constrained earlier generations of American Indians, but embrace the challenges of higher education and soar to new heights of achievement. Students like me follow in the footsteps of those earlier generations of Native Americans who sacrificed, struggled and endured so that my generation could one day become leaders, confronting and overcoming the obstacles of our time. I am grateful, and as I pursue my career in law, I will extend my hand and guide others within our communities – as well as other underrepresented communities – on the same (or similar) path.
A creative outlet
While I plan to study tribal law at KU, I also have media law in my sights. I began a career in photography at the age of 15 as a house photographer at the concert/event arena in my hometown of Billings, Montana. I photographed bands including Nine Inch Nails, Buckcherry, Avenged Sevenfold, Puddle of Mudd, Sugarland, Theory of Deadman, Shinedown and others. Inspired by that experience, I enrolled in film school at Montana State University in Bozeman, combining my passion for photography with writing and technical filmmaking skills. While still in school, I landed my first job on a feature-length film. I wanted to learn more about the administrative aspect of film production, so I worked closely with the first and second assistant directors on that feature. Soon after, I landed my next feature film job; however, this time, I advanced from a production assistant intern to an IMDb-credited second assistant director. It is uncommon to advance so quickly, but filmmaking is an industry that rewards ambition. I went on to second assistant direct my third feature film, and I followed that by writing, directing and producing small projects of my own. I eventually ended up in Los Angeles, as most aspiring filmmakers do. While living and working in Hollywood and the greater Los Angeles area, l realized that I wanted to complete my degree and pursue a graduate program. I believed that an advanced education would, in the long run, open more doors and create more opportunities to make an enduring impact on issues that mattered to me. I made my way to Haskell Indian Nations University in Lawrence, and two years later I graduated with my bachelor’s degree in indigenous and American Indian studies.
Balancing school and business
I come from a long line of creative people, so art is intrinsic to my life. When I am creating, I am truly happy. Doing photography is an outlet for me which, as a law student, is an important thing to have. Currently, I own and operate my own photography business – Haley Rains Photography – and continue to do concert, event, portrait and other types of photography as well as graphic design, filmmaking and other creative projects. It is my goal to incorporate my photography and filmmaking skills into my legal education and to return to Los Angeles after I earn my J.D. to continue my work in the film industry.
I feel truly privileged to be a member of the KU Law family, and I look forward to seeing the things I and my extraordinary classmates will accomplish.
Posted on October 19, 2017
This summer I had the privilege of working as a Justice Fellow for the Kansas Appleseed Center for Law and Justice in Lawrence, Kansas. I received the internship offer through an on-campus interview and immediately accepted it.
Kansas Appleseed is a nonprofit, nonpartisan justice center dedicated to vulnerable and excluded Kansans. Through collaborations with pro bono attorneys and community partners, Kansas Appleseed investigates social, economic and political injustice in Kansas and advocates for systemic solutions. The organization’s mission is to champion laws and policies that will build a thriving, inclusive and just Kansas.
I spent much of my time researching and writing about justice in Kansas. This research will be included in a future Justice Library on Kansas Appleseed’s website. This resource will provide information on what different Appleseed Centers are working on across the U.S. and Mexico as well what is going on in Kansas. I attended a poverty conference in Topeka, Kansas that was a very insightful, fulfilling experience. I also prepared memoranda concerning the laws and regulations authorizing and regulating reinstatement fees and how it affect Kansas residents.
As I have grown older, life has taken me far from New Orleans, but I still believe that society and the law owe a duty to its communities to work in the best interests of its citizens. Going forward, I will combine my organizing and legal skills with my desire to help create social change in communities. My public service internship has helped build a strong foundation for a future career serving families, women and immigrant populations. The knowledge I gained from Kansas Appleseed exceeded my expectations and will stay with me as I further my education and career. I cannot wait to continue to serve others, learn and be an effective advocate.
-Erika Owunta is a 2L from New Orleans.
Updated on October 5, 2017
Law student with OCD manages condition with accommodations, perseverance
My friends from high school like to joke around about the new, low-key version of Emily Brown. They saw me at my worst: unmedicated, with a mind that could never sleep or quiet down.
I didn’t sleep. I barely ate; I weighed under 90 pounds. I had panic attacks daily, and I had a fever or an infection almost every week. The doctors tested me for everything under the sun. At one point, a doctor looked at me and asked if what I was experiencing was “all in my head.”
It was — in a way.
My parents pushed me to get psychiatric help. But I was reluctant. My illness was about control, and I thought it was something I should be able to handle. If it was in my head, why couldn’t I fix it? But at one point during my junior year, I sat on the floor of my bedroom. I knew things needed to change. I was tired.
I was diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) soon after that, and since then, I’ve been taking medication to help alleviate my symptoms.
When I first considered law school, I was hesitant. While I thrived in high-stress environments, I also knew that my mental illness did, too.
I took the plunge anyway. The first year was tough. The adjustment to a new schedule, to new people was physically stressful. But I made it through.
I was lucky enough to make a few friends and find a place for myself in Green Hall. Director of Career & Student Counseling Services Leah Terranova told me about academic accom-modations, and for the first time in my life, I did not have to spend my finals worrying about the person sitting next to me. By getting my own room, I could control my environment and focus on what was important: the test.
In the past, I’ve been distracted by the simplest things. How close someone is next to me, where their stuff is located and how neat it is. Someone rubbing their jeans, a fly, the sound of a ticking clock. Someone shifting in their seat or moving frequently could leave me unable to focus for an entire test period. But space was the key factor in my ability to focus.
By myself, I could focus perfectly.
I watched my first criminal trial during my first summer in law school. I realized that day that I wanted to do criminal law and to be a prosecutor.
For someone with OCD, for someone with any anxiety disorder, this was a terrifying thought. Public speaking was not my strength, and I saw how much analysis and argumentation had to be done without any preparation. I wasn’t sure if I was cut out for it; I wasn’t sure if I could handle the stress of being in the courtroom all day, of being a litigator. But the stubborn person I am, I decided to try it.
I learned this summer that my mental illness did not have to hold me back in the real world. I interned at the Sedgwick County District Attorney’s Office, and I had one of the best experiences of my life. I had the chance to try my first jury trial. I stood up, spoke, and I did not puke — not once. The defendant decided to testify last minute, and the defense introduced wild evidence on the last day. I had absolutely no control, and I loved every moment of it.
Law is not an easy career choice, and with the added stress of having a mental illness, it can be an even more difficult field to work in. But that is the beauty of law. It is terrifying, overwhelming and challenging, but when you put that pen to paper for the first time at your job or when you stand in front of a judge and speak, you know exactly why the fight is worth it.
— Emily Brown is a third-year KU Law student from Overland Park.
Posted on October 2, 2017
1. Why did you choose to study at KU Law? How did you learn about our program and establish contact?
In 2010 I met Prof.John Head through a friend of mine who studied at KU Law. We discussed the Turkey portion of his book draft. At that time I told Prof. Head I hoped to find an opportunity to study at KU Law in the future. Last year my wish came true: I was granted a scholarship by the Ministry of Food, Agriculture and Livestock of Turkey, and I found an opportunity to study here. When I got the scholarship I contacted my faculty shepherd, Prof. Andrew Torrance. He accepted me, and I started my study here.
2. What are your professional goals for your time at KU Law? What will be your next career step after your time here?
My goal is to get a deeper knowledge about my working area–namely, biotechnology law and policy. Also I hope to make contacts to prospect research. After I finish my research KU I will return to my home institution and serve as legal advisor on agrilaw issues.
3.How does the academic and research environment at KU Law differ from your home culture / institution?
There are differences from my home institution. First, all academic and administrative staff are very helpful and kind. When you need help they try their best. Secondly, KU Law has a multicultural environment. You can find different people from different parts of the world. It gives an opportunity for comparative understanding of legal issues.
4.What are your favorite things about Lawrence? What about home do you miss the most?
I have several favorite things about Lawrence but the most important ones are that Lawrence is a small and safe city for child raising and people are very friendly. I miss my family and my hometown.
5. What advice would you offer to other scholars who may want to do research abroad?
People who want to do research abroad should improve their foreign language ability. Study abroad is a very good opportunity to build a network for prospective academic and professional work. Try to meet people who work in a relevant field.
— Doğan Durna analyzes agricultural biotechnology policy and law in Turkey.
Updated on September 28, 2017
Kansas Supreme Court Justice Caleb Stegall teaches Appellate Advocacy at KU Law.
Alumni judges return to KU Law as teachers
For future attorneys whose professional success will often hinge on the ruling of a judge, having one as a law professor can be especially instructive.
Just ask 3L Lindsay Strong.
“Having a Kansas Supreme Court justice as a professor has provided the unique opportunity to learn how judges think and what they are looking for,” said Strong, who is taking Appellate Advocacy this fall from Kansas Supreme Court Justice Caleb Stegall. “This advantage is especially valuable given the court will ultimately decide the fate of our case.”
Stegall, L’99, is one of two sitting members of the judiciary teaching at KU Law. Judge Steve Leben, L’82, of the Kansas Court of Appeals, has taught Legislation (now Legislation & Statutory Interpretation) each spring but one since 2007. This is Stegall’s first time behind the classroom podium.
“I’ve enjoyed returning home to Green Hall,” Stegall said. “Being able to see anew the ideals of our profession through the eagerness and excitement of students is an invigorating reminder to practitioners and judges of why we fell in love with the law in the first place.”
Sitting judges serve KU Law in a variety of ways, from presiding over the final round of the in-house moot court competition to administering an oath of professionalism to each year’s incoming class to supervising students in judicial field placements and more. Some of those relationships span decades. Judge Robert Fairchild, L’73, of the Douglas County District Court retired from his service at KU Law last spring after 26 years of teaching Alternative Dispute Resolution and Criminal Law to generations of students.
“Students definitely get value from having a chance to interact in the classroom with a sitting judge,” Leben said. “Over the course of the semester, in addition to learning the subject matter at hand, they also get a feel for how courts and judges really work. I regularly discuss with them things that have happened in oral argument or in working through an opinion – after it’s released, of course. And as the semester goes along, they feel free to ask more questions about the judicial process.”
Stegall requires his Appellate Advocacy students to observe oral arguments at the Kansas Supreme Court, where they see classroom conversations play out in a practical setting.
“This allows us, as students, to focus on the positive and negative aspects of attorneys’ advocacy styles and determine how we would go about advocating differently,” Strong said.
Beyond imparting practical skills, Stegall said he hopes increased interaction between law students and judges helps strengthen the relationship between the legal academy and the judiciary. “Anything we can do to reconnect the two strikes me as a good thing for the bench, the bar and the legal profession as a whole.”
Leben, who is winding down a 20-year run as editor of Court Review, the quarterly journal of the American Judges Association, hopes he might be able to add a second course to his teaching load at some point.
“If I weren’t teaching, I would miss getting to know these new students who are starting careers, thinking about what they can do to contribute and how they can do their best work,” Leben said. “Like all teachers, I suspect, I know that our future is in the hands of today’s students. If I can help them be their best, I’ve done my part.”
— By Mindie Paget